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Fiction -- have a crossover appearance from, you know, where -- i say captain kirk will appear. you know, i mean, it is -- in a way it is a -- a little bit like a kind of fan fiction in the sense that it is this vast collective storytelling and enterprise. >> i think it is a really good point because i think we all write our own barack obama fan fiction. in a certain level. we all are creating -- there is -- will is something about him as a figure that is both, you know, probably more words written about him than any political figure of probably since lincoln, i would guess. maybe pdr. particu...

Incorporate that character barack obama as i understood him very much in the way that in fan fiction you have a crossover appearance from where say captain kirk will appear. he shows up in page 300 of your book. >> exactly. several times. and, you know, i mean, in a way it is a little bit like a kind of fan fiction in the sense that it is this vast collective story telling enterprise. >> and i think it's a really good point. i think we all write our own barack obama fan fiction. to a certain level, right? we all are creating -- there is something about him as a figure that is both, you know, t...