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Experience and being black, as well. and also sort of hip-hop was to go all the way back. it almost seemed like a lot of them had never known women. they were so masculine and prince is on the other end of that spectrum. michael jackson the -- so much a part of him, he's wearing it on his sleeve. >> remember when he became a symbol for a couple years. what was going on with that? >> not as complicated as it seems. perfect question from you because he wanted to get away from his record business contract. so, if i change my name -- >> that's all it was. >> that you don't own me any more. if i'm ...