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Your colleagues just voted and passed the farm bill, $867 billion over the next ten years. it's a head scratcher that you would agree to $867 billion farm bill, and yet you can't find $5.7 billion for border security? >> well, we absolutely and need to find the funding for border security, no question about it. we actually saved money over the last number of years in the farm bill. and, again, if we can keep it from growing, find savings where we can and keep our economy growing, that's how you reduce the debt and deficit. maria: what's your view in terms of the impact of this shutdown on the ...

Your colleagues just voted and passed the farm bill, $867 billion over the next ten years. it's a head scratcher that you would agree to $867 billion farm bill, and yet you can't find $5.7 billion for border security? >> well, we absolutely and need to find the funding for border security, no question about it. we actually saved money over the last number of years in the farm bill. and, again, if we can keep it from growing, find savings where we can and keep our economy growing, that's how you reduce the debt and deficit. maria: what's your view in terms of the impact of this shutdown on the ...