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Definitely not the president in which they were talking about the strategy of the meeting with the russians. the people in that meeting deny it. the people who have been able to interview. people we have not interviewed have not said that about that meeting. >> here's my larger issue. what's in o it for michael cohen to say the president knew about the meeting. >> you have to be kidding me? >> he's the big fish. you don't give up -- what is cohen going to do? you have a couple of taxi cub driv cab drivers and get him out of jail? the reason they have manafort in solitary confinement, because h...