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You say that aren't paying attention and that are simply going i'm just for that other guy. they had very strong opinions about both mccauliffe -- and, you know, terry mccauliffe's unfave among this group was i think 1562. >> 66. >> but unfavorable for cuccinelli was 75% among these folks. >> interestingly, they like governor mcdonald. so, again, no transfer for mcdonald because there's a big wall, you know, between the mcdonald's positives and cuccinelli getting some vote and getting some support. not any clearer than wh when you look at the sarvis voters, and that's exactly -- you pinpoint t...

Of those 8% picking sarvis, 62% of them approve of the job current republican governor bob mcdonald is doing. instead of backing the republican, ken cuccinelli, 75% have an unfavorable view of cuccinelli. shows why cuccinelli may want to blame their candidate's struggles on mcdonald's all inning numbers, polls show it's a cuccinelli problem. the director of the marist institute joins me. lee, it was interesting. some five-point leads are margin of error. and some five-point leads look like they're insurmountable. where do you put this one? >> somewhere in between, not to hedge the bets. look, ...