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Journalists value, i think people are just playing even facts as a team sport as a partisan team sport in america today. >> you mentioned the conspiracy theories. look at what sean hannity was suggesting, some of the questions he was suggesting for the republican congressmen and then look at what they actually asked. >> justin cooper, didn't he smash clinton's blackberry devices. >> justin cooper who was a clinton aide destroyed one of her devices. >> based on steele's unverified dossier and when were you aware of it. >> when did you become aware the dossier was included in the fisa applicatio...

Interpretation will be the same. that's not true at all anymore. you saw congress members like matt gaetz, devon nunes clearly able to be curve the reality sphere such that even if mainstream outlets weren't repeating their claims verbatim, they were kind of -- their narrative was swayed by it so they said, oh, that hearing was low energy and didn't move the ball forward on impeachment. that gets echoed in mainstream papers. you see a lot of mainstream journalists i wish we could talk more about substance and it becomes this self-perpetuating prophecy. >> there was a lot of criticism on report...

And even democrats can't explain why they're doing what they're doing. take the things you pointed out about the mueller testimony. i listened to chairman nadler go out and talk about why donald trump should be impeached and he said he's violated the law. the public can't follow that, but the public can follow the ridiculous narrative that donald trump has been laying out about the russia investigation since january 2017 that this is some kind of deep stacue based on a dossier. nobody can understand why the democrats want to impeach him, because it's just like everything thrown on the wall. pe...

Facts with moral outrage and i think that's what scares trump about congressman cummings, the moral outrage he voices from that pulpit he has on the oversight committee. it really is. it's a combination of old testament righteousness and the voice, the voices of the civil rights movement that this nation once responded to with an act of social conscience which i think people like trump and his followers are trying to still in this era. and when we hear that voice is when at the end of the michael cohen hearing when congressman cummings lashed out about the kind cuff crookedness, the kind of la...