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and we've gone a long way. culturals change. but the fraternity -- deke was one george. w. bush was a member. bush can say i was young and irresponsible. and he was running on a popular vote, not going for a supreme court seat. >> and also said i stopped drinking at 40. and we don't hear that. >> there's no allegation he's an alcoholic. >> yeah. >> there's no indication he's an alcoholic. and i would underline primarily. he could have been a choir boy primarily and he was an upstanding student to get as far as he did and still drink a lot. these things are not inconsistent. and he never denied that. >> that's a bit -- >> blacking out. so the extreme. >> memory loss and drinking to excess -- >> but the suggestion in blacking out he did this and does not know it. >> the plausibility of, you know, what one person thinks is implausible and another thinks is plausible simply can't be the

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