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Biological frame that's been put on it is very odd. >> even less whether or not men are keeping up, the idea that i household isn't keeping up. that we now live in a country where to live a standard that my grandparents may have been able to do on one income, you simply must have two incomes. >> that's the most dangerous point. now we think dual income is natural and that's the way we should rule our lives. the problem is it's the most fragile position to be in. if you base your whole household off of two and you lose one -- >> and you could lose them from divorce, illness, accident, any of th...

Complicated for women. and so i would just say that history teaches us to be wary of drugs for women's desire. there's a long history of medicalizing things that are more cultural than they are biological. >> we've been talking about the kind of power issue associated with women as bread winners and all of that but i also wonder if there isn't a kind of fear. we don't want women walking down the street hitting on every man? why? why do we have a particular angst about that? >> here's my point. one, i think we're just tired. we're just tired so that's why. we're earning the money, we're working...

About violent american culture. >> we have only done two or three. the mental health component has been there. limited but it has been there. and i've been surprised at how little the culture component has been part of this debate. because traditionally that has been the counterpoint guns and culture. >> mika and i sat down and really powerful democratic leaders in america. and we talked about guns. said, if this is going to work, because they were saying how does it work? i said you have to talk about mental health and they said, great, we will do that. then you have to talk about this violen...