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Fact. eventually it's going to end up happening. this is prison. i mean, this isn't -- this isn't kindergarten. i mean, not everybody gets along. >> today, chris shiverdecker has a hearing that could affect his custody level and security status. >> okay, christopher. you know why you're in here. >> yes, ma'am. >> all right. >> transfer custody review. >> initially, you were placed on level six because you posed a threat to the security of the institution. you self-admitted being in an altercation with another inmate and after a cell search, two homemade weapons were found in your cell. you do ...

I'll be here for the rest of my life. they think that i'm going to flip out. they think i'm going to flip out and hurt somebody, you know? i go crazy every day, you know. just being here. do i think i'm going to hurt somebody? i mean, that's pretty much a fact. eventually it's going to end up happening. this is prison. i mean, this isn't -- this isn't kindergarten. i mean, not everybody gets along. >> today, chris shiverdecker has a hearing that could affect his custody level and security status. >> okay, christopher. you know why you're in here. >> yes, ma'am. >> all right. >> transfer custod...

Do i think i'm going to hurt somebody? i mean, that's pretty much a fact. eventually it's going to end up happening. this is prison. i mean, this isn't -- this isn't kindergarten. i mean, not everybody gets along. >> today, chris shiverdecker has a hearing that could affect his custody level and security status. >> okay, christopher. you know why you're in here. >> yes, ma'am. >> all right. >> transfer custody review. >> initially, you were placed on level six because you posed a threat to the security of the institution. you self-admitted being in an altercation with another inmate and after ...

Threw wire cutters and some other items over the fence that were used to effect their escape. >> why were these men in prison? they were all convicted of murder and yet this was a medium security facility. >> murders progress to maximum and close facilities. we have 2,689 murderers in the arizona prison system, the majority of those are in close and medium custody. it's not the custody level that was the issue, it appears staff performance was the issue. >> and you made a point of saying this is a private prison. i mean, does that need to be looked at again, a couple people have raised that, a...

>> murderers can progress from maximum to closed and only as low as medium security. we have 2,689 murderers in the arizona prison system, the majority of those are in close and medium custody. it's not the custody level that was the issue, it appears staff performance was the issue. >> and you made a point of saying this is a private prison. i mean, does that need to be looked at again, a couple people have raised that, as there's too many private prisonens, the standards -- the staff isn't paid as well, the standards aren't as high. do you think that's true? >> i don't know if the staff wage...