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Threw wire cutters and some other items over the fence that were used to effect their escape. >> why were these men in prison? they were all convicted of murder and yet this was a medium security facility. >> murders progress to maximum and close facilities. we have 2,689 murderers in the arizona prison system, the majority of those are in close and medium custody. it's not the custody level that was the issue, it appears staff performance was the issue. >> and you made a point of saying this is a private prison. i mean, does that need to be looked at again, a couple people have raised that, a...

>> murderers can progress from maximum to closed and only as low as medium security. we have 2,689 murderers in the arizona prison system, the majority of those are in close and medium custody. it's not the custody level that was the issue, it appears staff performance was the issue. >> and you made a point of saying this is a private prison. i mean, does that need to be looked at again, a couple people have raised that, as there's too many private prisonens, the standards -- the staff isn't paid as well, the standards aren't as high. do you think that's true? >> i don't know if the staff wage...

Cape. >> why were these men in prison? they were all convicted of murder and yet this was a medium security facility. >> we have 2,689 murderers in the arizona prison system, the majority of those are in close and medium custody. it's not the custody level that was the issue, it appears staff performance was the issue. >> and you made a point of saying this is a private prison. i mean, does that need to be looked at again, a couple people have raised that, as there's too many private prisonens, the standards -- the staff isn't paid as well, the standards aren't as high. is that true? >> i don'...