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I think manafort was very -- he did it for no pay. it was very irresponsible. if they were wiretapping manafort inappropriately, fine. >> kennedy: but when is it appropriate? if you haven't done anything wrong, you can still be caught up. that's very problematic. >> kimberly: what dana said -- what we've been saying is manafort -- what his business dealings and interactions were. and he improperly disclosed some of those and put the president and what has turned out to be a compromising position. if you know in good faith that you have that and you will take a role for free or not, okay, with ...

Compromising position. if you know in good faith that you have that and you will take a role for free or not, okay, with the president of united states customer gap to be very forthright and forthcoming at the you know what? >> dana: i don't think it's spying -- if you are manafort and you are dealing -- if you go back and look in his client list and you know the kind of things he's been involved in, yeah, you might assume. >> jesse: he's kind of a shady guy. >> kennedy: but the person who hired him to be a campaign manager also has some responsibility but i also think the president, being tou...