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Public is we just ran on gutting medicare, and everything i'm saying tonight when you look at the details in the approach to our budget and the fiscal health is about under cutting programs, and then telling us your parents were on medicare. that doesn't do anything for us. everybody knows unless your parents are rich, when they're old they will probably use medicare. >> the real speech started beforehand, regarding the "violence against women act." you can cast those votes, probably more well-oriented than any speech you can give. that is the problem with rubio. he presents a great story. and...

Democrats, but rallying the people who say let's get on with it, let's try to balance the budget, and the difficulty we have here now is the republicans are just talking about cutting programs, and they have targeted social security, medicaid, and medicare, and the president is saying we have to reform these systems, but we still need more revenue, and this is a worry that they just refuse to discuss. i don't see how you can ignore revenues if you talk about a budget. >> sir, if you will, we look at the time clock ahead of us, we have the state of the union coming up next week, but it's the se...

Entitlements he would actually reduce? no. what we've got to do is both of us have got to get out of our comfort zone, both sides, and we've got to come together and make the tough decisions it takes to bring down this deficit. we believe it can be done. i think the american people want it done. and now's the time to do it. >> let me ask you specifically about medicare, and i'll start with you, mr. bowles, and then get senator simpson's reaction. the president again, when i asked him specifically what he would do on medicare, had this response. watch. would you commit to that first year of you...

Entitlements he would actually reduce? no. what we've got to do is both of us have got to get out of our comfort zone, both sides, and we've got to come together and make the tough decisions it takes to bring down this deficit. we believe it can be done. i think the american people want it done. and now's the time to do it. >> let me ask you specifically about medicare, and i'll start with you, mr. bowles, and then get senator simpson's reaction. the president again, when i asked him specifically what he would do on medicare, had this response. watch. would you commit to that first year of you...

You are not only going to cut your way to prosperity. one of the fallacies that has been promoted is this notion that deficit reduction is only a matter of cutting programs that are really important to seniors, students, and so forth. that has to be part of the mix. but what i ran on, and what the american people elected me to do, was to put forward a balanced approach. to make sure that there are shared sacrifices. >> to both of you, mr. bowles, first, what would you call on president to do on medicare that he's been unwilling to do before? >> first of all, david, if you look at the combinati...