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The president. we're going to have rinse and repeat. i don't see this cycle ending before the end of this presidency. folks are going to want to believe it. folks are going to want to defend it. neither side wants to give an inch. >> karen, i want to bring you in here. the president downplays white nationalism. why can't he unequivocally condemn white nationalism in all forms, do you think? >> well because, number one, he is someone who has espoused racist beliefs and ideologies since his early days in real state working with his father when, you know, the applications from african-americans g...

Commits an awful atrocity in some other country. some people have tried to make that connection. look, i think this whole issue is going to keep coming up because there are people who want to continue to feed this narrative. as long as there are, there are going to be people like mick mulvaney who go out and defend the president. we're going to have rinse and repeat. i don't see this cycle ending before the end of this presidency. folks are going to want to believe it. folks are going to want to defend it. neither side wants to give an inch. >> karen, i want to bring you in here. the president...