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Ity or tat straig state trying to cripple the government, it is wrong to say that president of united states is not pardon himself if he is charged or convicted outside of the federal legal process, that is nonsensical. if i'm wrong and the others are right, country is over. there are thousands and thousands of d.a.'s and assistant de' bu d.a.s and state prosecutors. remember, what is a prosecutor? a bureaucrat. i'm not talking about an elected, i am talking about jack smith is a bureaucrat, and judges for life? they are bureaucrats. you see. so when they interfere in an election, this is a bi...

The d.a.'s office with a filing with the court, saying removing the meadows case from georgia would be per verse as this arises from interference of state operations, and seeks to vindicate -- our next guest signed on to the brief, former deputy attorney general under george h.w. bush, donald aier, who is with us. boil it down for us non-lawyers, why does this matter, whether it's state or federal court, and why do you think he should be tried in state court? >> well, the norm at process is a federal case is tried in federal court or handled in federal court. a state case goes forward in a sta...

Katelyn polantz outside the federal courthouse in atlanta. can you walk us through the arguments meadow is going to make in front of a judge. >> reporter: of course, sara, this morning we are going to be seeing this hearing convene. it could take quite a bit of time because there will be witnesses, legal arguments and the question at play here today is was mark meadows as white house chief of staff whenever he was facilitating calls from donald trump outreach to state legislatures in different battleground states and also that call to brad raffensperger in georgia, was he doing that as a feder...

Local d.a. or u.s. attorney, has taken that. there nothing in the koch trueing about this at all.t. there present. i have the memo right here: is,e can't have one branch of the government paralyzing with president of united states incape coucapable of properly defending himself they concluded we can't indict a sitting president, and say because of this argument he could pardon

Intensify into a major hurricane. it's 10:00 a.m. eastern. i'm lindsey reiser in new york in for ana cabrera. it's going to be a busy hour with not just one, but two court hearings getting under way in legal cases against former president trump. in atlanta we're watching the first major hearing in the elections interference case brought by d.a. fani willis. mark meadows, one of the co-defendants, is trying to get his case moved to federal court. willis has called on multiple witnesses to testify in this morning's hearing including georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger who we know was...