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Both rick is a chicago guy. we have seen washington go through this transition. i would say 20 years ago, we had a trust problem between the populous and law enforcement. it has been slowly restored. what's worked, do you think, in washington? >> i think the police in d. considd.c. have -- they have to try to avoid a cultural problem in our country which is that people look at young black men as threats, automatically. it's how they have been defined. >> guilty until proven innocent? >> yes. when you add that to the justice system, that creates a volatile mix. i think the police in d.c. have t...

We have seen washington go through this transition. i would say 20 years ago, we had a trust problem between the populous and law enforcement. it has been slowly restored. what's worked, do you think, in washington? >> i think the police in d. considd.c. have -- they have to try to avoid a cultural problem in our country which is that people look at young black men as threats, automatically. it's how they have been defined. >> guilty until proven innocent? >> yes. when you add that to the justice system, that creates a volatile mix. i think the police in d.c. have tried harder than in a lot of...