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so it's an interesting dynamic. others have testified and of course emails pointed to her heavy involvement but other higher-ups, th, have said that. >> democrats contented proper procedure was not followed and you cannot proceed with immunity. we'll see whether they do that or not but who are the higher ups after learner that you remember to? >> i think there's one key maul that came out and that was an email to lois learner, one from lois learner to the fcc. that person needs to be talked with but i think the chief counsel of the irs and deputy chief counsel on an email to lois learner about this with corpscoreupon dense going back d fort. i think that points to a much higher link, if you will, as far as who is in authority and

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