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4,000 short of capacity? >> this is the reality of politics, you throw the right band, you bus the right people in, you do whatever you can to fill the stadium. i want to go back to the numbers. i said the numbers in the beginning, that's what we have to look at. when you look at how the president and romney match up, they're pretty much in a dead heat -- megyn: but they need enthusiasm. barack obama needs enthusiasm, and so does mitt romney. >> thank you. megyn: both have been criticized for not having it. >> that's correct. >> and you're a college student and you look and you go how am i goi...

Before at a debate. >> he's appealing to the republican hard core base. and the more he does that, the more he alienates independent voters. megyn: romney? >> no, i'm talking about santorum. it's going to be very difficult for santorum to move back to the center, and that's the problem he has. he looks angry, he's coming off being angry all the time, feeding red meat to the base -- megyn: political write-up was saying that romney was the one who seemed snippy and nasty and at the end john king asked him what's the biggest misconception about him, and he said i get to give the answers i want. [...

Malice in the way that she was killed, it was done in such a depraved way. a second-degree is a very serious charge d. megyn: second-degree says there was malice but no premeditation. >> correct. there just wasn't a specific intent. but again, you don't have to say on the calendar today, going over to kill such and such. you can go to a place, and you make that choice, that decision. and we've talked about the evidence where he took the computer to conceal the crime and the stuff that had gone back and forth between them. so there was some measure of thought process there, focus, etc., in term...

Megyn: she's got the love affair going with him. >> that's like the charlie brown christmas tree. >> we did not show what ron paul's response was, and i thought he knocked it out of the park. megyn: he said -- explain why that is so objectionable, what santorum said to you? >> because i don't want someone to necessarily play politics. i think we've had enough of that, and what did ron paul say? ron paul said, well, i took an oath to an office, not an oath to a party. megyn: nice theory, but as a political matter, is it reality, tracy davis, or don't we see politicians making compromises all th...

Gentlemen were truthful here. finish. >> without caveats or explanations, please define yourself using one word and one word only. congressman paul? >> consistent. [cheers and applause] >> senator santorum? >> courage. [cheers and applause] >> governor? >> resolute. [applause] >> mr. speaker? >> cheerful. [laughter] megyn: that got a big laugh. tim white -- >> again, it all comes back to consistency. if we're looking for a litically pure candidate and somebody who's been consistent, we have to take a look at ron paul. we're starting to talk about him, but i think he need more consideration. me...