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It's also -- i mean, there's an economic issue. and people can quibble. the tax code definitely has lots of problems with it. people can quibble with the economics. that's fair game. but there's also the political question, stephanie, which is, when you're the party that's always looking for the cloud in the silver lining, that means you are losing the argument. >> when people have money in their pockets, they are very pose tiitive and also forgiving sins. apple, pfizer, ge, others, if not repatriate dollars, creating jobs. what should democrat's position be here? we know they oppose the gop t...

And now is the time to lead efforts to get away from extremism and govern responsibly for the american people back home. >> i think we have to all stop figuring out what we're blaming here and actually get something done. that's what the public wants. so we actually should all get into a room together, the leadership get together, the president should be there. and we should figure this out. how to open the government, get services back to people, to veterans, to make sure seniors are taken care of. and, and solve the daca border security issue. that's a false choice. but we've got to get to w...

And it was the republicans who blocked it. jonathan, last question to you. brett stevens is saying we need a little humility. i'm going to tell you, i'm just confused. because the president who is the deal maker in chief is saying it's democrats blocking me. beave heard from his son, eric trump, saying that the shutdown is a good thing. and then i want to share what lindsey graham said. just take a listen. >> taught -- the president, his heart is on this issue. i think we have a good understanding. every time we have a proposal, it is only gained back by staff members. as long as steven miller...