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To the u.s., but the second and third generation, it's not. we talk about it all the time here, getting a good education is beneficial for the economy long term, that's something well worth noting from what ali put together. >> we also need to remember remember march 5th, this daca issue, daca recipients start losing their protections march 5th, and that is around the corner. when the president puts up a $25 billion ask for the wall and other border security issues against this, that's a huge number. and for those who say, the wall, it's not really a wall, it's a metaphor, it's not a metaphor....

Dreamers and the daca issue. can we drive that forward and get it done in the next, what, 12 days? i'm hopeful. >> well, i love optimism. but i'm going to ask, and i don't want to rain on your parade here, but do you find yourself between a rock and a hard place, you and your democratic colleagues? because if you do not get a deal on daca, you lose with your base. if you do get a deal on daca, you give a win to the president. has the president managed to turn this whole daca issue into a lose/lose proposition for democrats? >> i don't think we keep score on a day by day basis here. we'll have ...

More. look, i mean, this is a big deal in terms of dreamers and a path to citizenship from the white house. i wonder is this the time word from the white house on this. they flip-flop back and forth a lot. >> this is true. to put it plainly, if this is the final word from the white house, there say problem in terms of finding a resolution to the daca issue. not just democrats. a lot of republicans as well. it is worth pointing out, the white house has shifted plenty on this. they have gone from one position to another position, but what this does, what this framework is is really their most fi...

Immigration deal? >> yeah, joe, and mika, yes, it is. first, let me say this, we can absolutely pass a bipartisan bicameral daca deal with border security. there will be some kind of a pathway to citizenship for these young people. there's no question about this. this is within reach. the real challenge for us on this daca issue is going to be the house. once the senate passes a bill -- and i believe they will -- the house is going to have to take up that bill. right now the house energy is spent trying to pass a republican-only daca bill which is a fantasy. it has no chance of passing the sen...

Safety for our great people. our chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel is at the top of the story live on capitol hill. hi, mike. >> chuck schumer is urging everybody to ignore the back and forth with president trump and saying they can get a bill with 60 votes in the senate and then he took this swipe at conservatives. >> we can't let those anti-immigrant that call giving the dreamers home amnesty block us. because then we will fail and it will be on the other side of the aisle that made that happen. >> perhaps red meat there after this week's government shut down fiasco showing his ...