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Specific, very detailed narrative, and he wasn't there. i'm saying you can't simply do that. you can't. >> but, dave, what was the response from the white house? it was never said. they're using the wrong word. durbin's a liar. >> am i saying, that chris? i'm not saying that. >> but do you condone what it is doing? >> do i condone what? >> what's coming out of the white house in terms of the counternarrative. they never pushed back. a white house staffer said they liked the message. they thought the base would go with it. now everybody's lying. >> i think the message should be we should re-exa...

>> bret: he said whatever you all come up with, i'm going to sign even if i don't totally agree. >> republican leaders are paralyzed with fear over alienated the base. alienating members who don't want to give amnesty without really big concessions in terms of a wall and frankly you see in that meeting the definition of what a clean bill is. trump says i like a clean bill but in his mind, it is daca plus a wall. where this is heading, like it or not, unless some dynamic changes, it's likely we get a government shutdown. they may not get the votes for a short-term cr. republicans who aren't wil...

Also you'll see texans who don't want to do this. and republicans in particular who want to vote for this emergency package but not vote for a debt ceiling and ticked if they get jammed on this. sounds like leadership sources say that's what they'll do. >> a switch from the administration. having the finance secretary say that. both the president and fema director says we want them to be separate. >> in the house, that's certainly true. i think as the white house did its homework on this idea, they came to realize quickly, the senate is the most likely place for these two to be coupled if that...