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Allowed in this country as a citizen. i think trump got it right the second time, which was, i do care about the details, the american people care about the details, they do want border security, many americans who voted for trump want the wall, and the idea that we have to have a shutdown of the government to solve this problem, i don't get that. i asked dan, dan, you were in the obama administration. you had, in the first two years, 60 senators, democratic senators, who had a big majority in the house and you had barack obama as president. you didn't get this problem solved. so donald trump ...

As i understand it, invited five other members of congress who were not in favor of immigration reform or in a very harsh sense, and they were there to refute any assertions that we made that this was a good policy. >> so sandbagged, that's strong language. but the question, and you've heard this before, the president will listen to whoever is in his ear last. do you think that's what's happening? >> when i first heard donald trump say, i'll sign anything or something to that effect, i shuddered. immigration policy is one of the most important policies for our country in terms of what we look ...

And look, she was in a tough position. she knows if she seems to be seen as undermining her boss, he will probably tweet something and she'll end up in the penalty box with jeff sessions and the others, but she was under oath and she was trying everything she could not to hurt the president or perjure herself at the same time. and she came pretty close to the line there. >> let's talk about something more important, and that's getting this daca deal done and getting immigration reform done. lindsey graham talked about the two trumps, right? he said there was a trump i saw earlier in the week, ...

Overly office meeting on immigration, the one where the president used vulgar, racist language about african countries. well, we're learning he also slammed the congressional black caucus. i'm going to talk to one of the leaders of the cbc. that's a moment away from now. i want to get to phil mattingly on the breaking news of the government shutdown which could only be three days away. phil, hello, how are you? government shutdown could happen in days and talks of immigration a hot mess. fill us in. >> for them to be a hot mess would be if the situation was happening. if you look at immigratio...

There is something they're working on that one democrat told me earlier on that is, quote, a flat-out joke. where does that leave democrats and republicans on immigration? you have senator lindsey graham, a republican, attacking the president's staffers about this whole issue. you have senator richard durbin, a democrat, a leader on this issue basically attacking everyone at the white house about that issue. the reality right now is this. republicans have put immigration to the side. they are saying publicly and privately there is no daca resolution in the works before the end of this week. th...