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America? >> maybe the strategic move here is to first send people back to their corners. but this has sent everybody back to their corners. >> that's definitely true, but i think it's hard for democrats to argue that this is a campaign to make america whiter when they're offering amnesty for 200 daca recipients. for republicans in particular, the realisticing point is not going to be amnesty. i honestly think immigration hawks would be fine. amnesty, meaning giving citizenship to the 700,000 or 800,000 daca recipients, people who have already gotten daca work permits. the issue is now the whit...

Visa lottery that would shift elsewhere. with me, executive director of the center for immigration studies. mark, nice to have you on. thank you, sir. >> thanks for having me. >> when it comes to the immigration framework the white house has put forth, you are said i am starting to think not only did the president not write the art of the deal, i'm thinking he didn't even read the book. tell me what you mean. >> if this was supposed to be the opening gambit of a negotiation, he has conceded significant amounts of ground to the other side, the most notable thing is the number of people that wou...