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But and dad mcmichael as well, you got to look at him and say, yes, he was certainly part of the chase team, right, and that brings him into it. that principle theory we have, but we said it way in the beginning when we first talked about this case, chris, travis was going to say that when ahmaud arbery took that left-hand turn maybe responding to words we've never heard, that that put the gun in play and made it necessary for him to defend himself. i don't think if it was a panel of law professors they would all be convicted, but that's not what we're talking about. >> you say skewed, it's 11...

Panel, and more importantly, you've got roddie bryan who i thought give credit where it's due with his attorney did a pretty good job of showing him to be sort of a dolt who really didn't do all that much wrong. so that's going to be a difficult for the state. i even suggested i wasn't sure why the state didn't keep roddie out of this trial. but and dad mcmichael as well, you got to look at him and say, yes, he was certainly part of the chase team, right, and that brings him into it. that principle theory we have, but we said it way in the beginning when we first talked about this case, chris,...