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Just said, his deep sense of humility, which was so attractive. humility is powerful. i thought it was so powerful in him. >> it was. and i think is one of his grandsons, we got to see perspective, we get to see him in ways that nobody else got to see him. and i can tell you that the humility that the public saw we saw in private. he is genuinely the most humble person i have ever met in my life. i remember asking him one time, daddy bill, that's what we called him, i said daddy bill, how in the world have you remain so humble in light of all of your accomplishments and in light of all of the ...

Daddy bill, how has that been? >> we get asked that question more than any other question. as much as you can possibly have a normal relationship with a grandfather that is so famous, we absolutely did. he came to my school programs when i was younger, he was very hands-on. he would take me on dates all of the time. and it was just so encouraging for us as grand children to see that there was no difference, really, between daddy bill and billy graham, the man that the world sees up on stage and dining with presidents. he's really the same man and same humble personna you see sitting in the liv...

To hear your grandfather preach, he's always been daddy bill to me. that's what we called him. you get a sense that he's a big deal and had a big impact. >> one of his last crusades was in new york. i had never interviewed him and i went through a process of being interviewed before i could do the interview. he had people around him protecting him. i will play a portion of it. after our interview when it was his time to go up and preach he had a walker at the time. it was like he was on a mission. focused. i will never forget the moment. here's part of the interview i had at his last crusade i...

Business. when you hear stories about tullian, believe me. he was bad. >> okay. let's get to the interesting stuff the. >> there was no judgment by billy graham. >> frankly said, too, his father was patient. waited for him until the day that he came and was saved. he tells the story. >> both my grandmother and grandfather were remarkably unconditional people. unconditional. there was never any sense from either of them that we will love you and accept you if you behave. if you do the right things. >> did you have a sense of who this grandfather was or was he just grand dad to you? >> i don't k...

Taught and my father taught. they're not there because i want this to be a part of the family business. >> right. >> and when you hear the stories about tullian, believe me, he was bad. >> okay, now. let's get to the interesting stuff. >> there was no judgment by billy graham. >> well, franklin said that too, that his father was very patient, waited for him until the day that he came and was saved. he tells that whole story. >> both my grandmother and my grandfather were remarkably unconditional people, unconditional. i mean, there was never any sense from either of them that we will love you ...