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You have to -- they're very different in the case of the irs, the targeting was wrong but never any connection to the white house. in the -- there was no -- no one was criminalizing investigative reporting, number in the justice department ever spoke about prosecuting rosen. that was a midwest to get a subpoena. that is not targeting -- >> i'm not going to get -- >> the white house -- >> julian -- >> i want to talk. >> you're saying nothing and it's offensive. >> why don't we speak about it specifically. no you're ignoring -- [overlapping speakers] >> i'm not playing this game with you. you pl...

That was a method of getting a subpoena. >> that is called targeting. >> i want to talk fast. >> neil: julian you are saying nothing and it's offensive. >> why don't we speak specifically. >> neil: why don't you call us back and obnoxious on reality. you play the same game -- you are playing. >> excuse me. [ talking over each other ] >> you are not backing up the facts. >> neil: i want to be clear on this. cut his damn mic. ben is in pattern of behavior you see here, i want to see politics out of it, nuances out of it. i want to address the pattern that does or does not worry you? >> i'm telli...