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Facebook and twitter because of all the lies and so on, you know, they went to alternative conservative social media sites like parlor, getter, that sort of thing. those business models seem to be attracting people looking for more extreme views and -- and they're finding them there. what can be done about that? i mean, that is just sort of another side of this -- i guess this spectrum that a lot of us aren't paying enough attention to. >> you can't prevent people from doing startups, right? these are funded startups and things like that. you don't want to. they -- i have actually dealt with w...

American empire and they are trying to destroy them. >> reporter: there is nothing unusual about any of this in that echo chamber. listened for just a couple hours, you will hear everything you heard there magnified more and more and more and it is not just going on for a couple hours. this is going on virtually 24/7 in that environment to tens of millions of people, an environment often free of facts but almost always full of fury. jim? >> and fear and paranoia. tom, great piece. one of the figures you highlighted, what is interesting is that even though youtube banned him from the platform a...