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Farmers, not necessarily for the other folks. farmers will get a lift while everyone else continues to feel the pain. >> thanks very much. joining us now is dan glikman. tell me where you stand on this whole idea. we're hearing a lot of republicans saying we want trade, not aid. when you subsidize an industry because it's having difficulty because of trade, you actually deepen that whohole you were trg to get out of in the first place. where are we in this trade war? >> i generally agree. foreign economy is not very good. commodity prices are low, caused by a lot of reasons, drought, other r...

Export markets. i doubt you're going to get rid of all subsidies. we should be talking to our trading partners, not making an enemy and not say tariff wars are great. that's that is a dagger in the heart. >> what did he say yesterday? tariffs are excellent? >> dan glikman good to talk to you. former u.s. secretary of agriculture. we do have things. i mean we have protections on corn, which is why when you go to the gas station, you have to put gasoline in that has a certain amount of ethanol. maybe there's a really valid reason to have it. but we do it too. everybody does it. >> but what the...