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Certain illegals in the thousands if they applied for citizenship and they don't have criminal records. the agency says that will better help target illegals who pose a serious threat. that is where they want to put their resources. critics say it's nothing more than backdoor amnesty. ben stein, is with us. ray ed gonzalez joins us, too. good to see both of you. >> good to be here. >> hello. >> jamie: first, dan, why do you say it's backdoor amnesty? >> this is part of an overall process from the -- i mean this administration is so aligned with extremists who do not want to see immigration law...

Aliens. at a time when we have millions and millions of americans looking for work who need jobs. this administration could be and should be apprehending and removing from the workforce, illegal aliens taking american jobs. instead they are hiding behind an fig leaf. the reason they sued arizona is because they don't want immigration laws enforced so they are taking a narrow band of people committing independent criminal felonies saying that's where we are going to put all the enforcement resources. everybody else can say until they get amnesty through. >> jamie: is that enough -- >> i'm sorry...

Write the ticket or go after the guy robbing the bank? this is ridiculous. they're relieving anyone, this couldn't be farther from the truth. more far from the truth. >> jamie: i have to tell you, they are rule -- the plan is and they're already releasing. i recently visited an i.c.e. detention center in new jersey -- >> they're releasing them -- >> jamie: you know up or you're rounded up. say you're pregnant. they will let you go. until your case is heard. you know handling these cases it can take months and sometimes years for the case to be heard. >> these cases are prosecutorial discretion...