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Paid to not talk about it. former michigan governor jennifer granholm knows full well the consequences of avoiding those debates. detroit still reeling from the financial crisis of '08. and as the governor argues the political talking points, whether it's on lower taxes or deregulations and markets simply ant the answer. jennifer granholm and her husband dan mullhern are authors of a new book, "governor's story: the fight for jobs and america's future." last i saw you, we were talking about the need to focus on efficiency rather than the fuel source debate as one example of the debates that am...

Government and public/private partnerships to be able to cluster development around our strengths and michigan's unemployment rate dropped six times faster than the national average. we wanted to document the evidence of that. >> and the book is that body of evidence, which is the point that you're making. and i think it's a wonderful exercise, because you're a lab experiment, in a sense, with real government in real life having real policy and real data, which is your point. and i think it's magnificent. dan, if you were to look at the writing of this book and the prosecution of this argument...