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Anthem and stand with linked arms as the anthem is playing. still sort of a grab bag and a mixed reaction from the players. and certainly from the fans. alex. >> okay, mike, thank you so much. appreciate that live report. to continue the conversation, i'm joined by jarvis green and by boston globe sports columnist dan shaunse, also correspondent for the journal review, erin mcpike. jarvis, i'm going to reach out to you first. i want to get your reaction to what we saw in london this morning. most players standing for the national anthem, logging arms. you had three players from the dolphins kn...

Who are speaking from their hearts about an important issue. it is not just like the end of a campaign where you will see celebrities who are surrogates for a candidate and you'll hear a lot of political analysts say they really can't get anybody to the polls. this is a deeper issue when celebrities are speaking from the heart and are trying to move an issue forward. i think this is a very big moment in our country. and i'm hopeful that things will be better going forward because of this moment. >> okay. dan, what about you? who do you think wins in the end? >> well, i think defining the issue...

Again, we're all human beings. we watch the game, we support the game, we love the game. we love the flag. i mean, look, my dad, uncles, great uncles, grand fathers served in war. i believe in the american way and everything that's going on, but again, we're talking about equality. >> okay, jarvis, pretty clear on that statement. i appreciate that. dan, what about you? what do you think about the way management from the nfl, the owners, roger goodell, have all responded to the controversy? >> well, the owners don't want them doing this. but the owners also are americans. they're good americans...

And just the things that we believe in, as athletes, working together as a team and being one. >> so okay, dan. the fact that most players knelt also before the national anthem. do you think that might be some kind of a compromise with the president? or what about the locking of arms? is that also something of a compromise? people take such offense at the kneeling, but locking arms is showing a unity in the protest and what they're trying to say, and we're talking about it. >> i think the word compromise is fitting here. in both instances. i think that there was a meeting in new york this week...