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And iran which is trying to develop a nuclear weapon, then look at cyber and cyberattacks that have taken place across the world. there are a lot of danger points that i worry about. and the question is, whether or not the united states can provide the world leadership working with our allies to confront those danger points. i'm optimistic if we can develop those alliances. trey: mr. secretary, sometimes politics likes to dumb things down to simple choices, for people who want to be open to either but they want wisdom to know which is appropriate when, what a good rule or a good test to evacua...

And iran which is trying to develop a nuclear weapon, then look at cyber and cyberattacks that have taken place across the world. there are a lot of danger points that i worry about. and the question is, whether or not the united states can provide the world leadership working with our allies to confront those danger points. i'm optimistic if we can develop those alliances. trey: mr. secretary, sometimes politics likes to dumb things down to simple choices, for people who want to be open to either but they want wisdom to know which is appropriate when, what a good rule or a good test to evacua...

Panetta institute of public policy, i had secretary hagel oi want to be fair, ask you both kind of the same question, what gives you cause for optimism or concern as you assess the world today? >> i think there is a lot of danger points, in the world that we're facing, a lot of flash points probably more since world war ii. if you look at the fact that we're continues to confront terrorism in the world. if you look at the fact that there are failed states in the middle east which breed terrorism and you look at china and the threat that china represents to the united states and to the world. r...

Obama. secretary, thank you so much. as former secretaries of defense, you and general mattis spent a lot of time thinking about threats to the nation. do you agree that tribalism here is a bigger threat than outside adversaries right now? >> i don't think there's any question. you know, we -- we spent a lot of time focussing obviously on danger points and dangerous threats that face us abroad. and we have the strongest military on the face of the earth. we've got men and women in uniform that are the best warriors any place in the world. so, you know, we really are very strong that way. but t...

Secretary under president barack obama. secretary, thank you so much. as former secretaries of defense, you and general mattis spent a lot of time thinking about threats to the nation. do you agree that tribalism here is a bigger threat than outside adversaries right now? >> i don't think there's any question. you know, we -- we spent a lot of time focussing obviously on danger points and dangerous threats that face us abroad. and we have the strongest military on the face of the earth. we've got men and women in uniform that are the best warriors any place in the world. so, you know, we reall...