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Experimentation. it has failed. >> i challenge you that new orleans is, in fact, ground zero. >> detroit! >> okay, but, listen, daniel, we're going to stay on exactly these issues. coming up in about two weeks, i'll do my student town hall. we'll have some young people from philadelphia. thank you for your continued reporting. and when it comes to politics, this may be an off year for elections, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a very well-orchestrated and very loud campaign going on. what all the yelling is about, next. [ woman ] if you have the audacity to believe your financial adviso...

Including ending arts and music programs and cutting librarians and counselors. fast forward to now where this is a reality for philadelphia public school students. 23 schools have been closed. nearly 4,000 teachers and support staff were laid off over the summer, that includes all 270 school counselors in the district, even though 1,000 were hired back, including 126 counselors. in philadelphia, it's about asking teachers to teach and students to learn with a whole lot less. joining me now from philadelphia is daniel denver, a reporter at the philadelphia city paper, where he's been reporting...

It's outrageous. >> daniel, i want to come out to our panel for a minute. before we went, we had this conversation about government doesn't create jobs, but it does create these jobs. guidance counselors and teachers work for local government. and the idea that we as taxpayers are underwriting the waltons. we're not underwriting the education of poor children to generate the kind of mobility that, matt, you said is key. this seems criminal to me. >> so the resources being shifted the to parents and being shifted to local communities. so educate yourself. if there's one person, one guidance cou...

Franklin. benjamin franklin is not closing, but it would be merging two more schools next year. the classes are going to be overcrowded. the teachers won't be able to teach. we don't even have the right resources, the books and computers and stuff like that. we don't have that. >> you're a junior. what are your plans after high school? are you thinking about going to college? >> yes, i want to go to college. i want to succeed in life. we need the schools to stay open. >> do you feel like you've gotten good guidance counselors. you have what you need to take you from junior year to college? >> ...

Student activists staged a massive walkout in philadelphia. they were protesting planned cuts. looks a lot like the students have their priorities straight. if only the adults could meet them halfway. at the table, doug wilder, former democratic governor of virginia. alice kel kenny, reporter for the nation who has been covering the chicago school closings. daniel denver at the philadelphia city paper writing about the protests in philly and a junior at benjamin franklin high school in philadelphia. she's also an organizer for the student union and part of the student walkout. joining me from ...