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Would be prohibitively costly in terms of spilled blood and treasure to invade ukraine. that's the essence of deterrence. vladimir putin got away with a lot. he invaded georgia, and for that he got a reset policy from the obama administration. he invaded ukraine, annexed crimea in 2014, we did not follow true effectively after that to enhance ukraine's security and give them the military equipment that they were asking for. and then you take it all the way to today, and the situation that we're in right now we are playing catch-up. the russians have 200,000 troops in ukraine, and as you've all...

Stunned by the impressive bravery of ukrainians stepping up to protect their homes. will: our next guest, ceo of students for freedom for ukraine, daniel humpkin -- lumpkin joins us now. tell us your thoughts this morning as you see these events unfold. >> good morning being, america. so i was living in kyiv for all of my life, and two days ago i had to evacuate the city because there was too many people who want to be a part of defense, so there would be no place for me. so eventually i was just left out, so i moved to rural area. same situation, there's too many people who want to fight for ...

The soviets came, we just want to protect our way of living. so i'm here, and i stay in ukraine, and i will fight as soon as possible. pete: daniel, it's amazing to hear more men than guns to provide them the opportunity. so what can you do to contribute? let's say you don't get a rifle, other people are not able to have a rifle, how do you see your involvement in resisting the russians? >> yeah. it's wonderful question. so we have, basically, several opportunities. one is fight the army, as we know, ukraine has a lot of folks who are in big tech companies outside of ukraine and 100,000 people...

Are sponsoring bombs which are killing children which, in my opinion, is morally unacceptable. >> daniel, you see these cities and important buildings literally get reduced to rubble. it's a tough question, but i think it's important. does it strengthen your resolve to■ç fight until the end, or do you begin to feel defeat when you see it happening in your backyard or an important building in your life? when we see these before or and after pictures and it becomes a war zone. >> yeah. thank you for this really important question. so thing is we have attacks here almost every day. we have air...