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Until we figure this out. either way, these decisions are a pause button until this is figured out on the merits. >> it actually reminded me of when the vigilante law was put into place in the state of texas before the dobbs decision and the state court at the time made the same decision for the law to stay in place as they figured out to do next. and we now know where things stand in the state of texas. danny sev, as always. happy thanksgiving to you and your family. still ahead, everybody, the taylor swift ticket chaos, what the senate wants to know and whether it could change anything. ...

>> i thought they were, based on what i saw they wanted to meet but they only want to meet if they're in the u.k. is what they say and that will be up to them. >> joining us on the set, msnbc legal analyst danny sev. i think this was shocking across the board for many when they read what took place at the white house. >> and watching that and hearing the president trying to explain or justify what happened. >> and this family was caught offguard and missions on behalf of the wife sacoolas, essentially telling everyone what she told him, but it is interesting from a lowell point, that could cer...