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But did the supreme court say anything about the guilty on his charges which he was convicted? in other words was there a statement that he was guilty of the things he was convicted of doing or was it a procedural motion? >> this was about the technicality, the jury of his peers of his peers stated that he was guilty. and while the guilty no longer stands, the factual finding behind what the jury said still does. they found, after all of the testimony, after andrea constand testified, they found he gave her a drug, rendered her incapable of consent and then sexually assaulted her. >> danny, wh...

May change his tune about whether he wants to cooperate and provide what he knows about donald trump and his involvement in some of these decisions that have now been labeled as crimes. >> barbara, elise here, this may be a difficult question to quantify. we're talking about tax fraud right now and danny cevallos was on earlier and mentioned you look at these cases and normally nothing happens and there's not really any boom boom punishment, so to speak. if this escalates to insurance fraud and bank fraud is it potentially more threatening to donald trump's empire? >> i think it is. some of th...

So somebody with that level of interaction with trump prosecutors are hoping he'll be able to tell them, this is why we did this, this is what trump told me to do. so that is going to be, if he's charged with breaking crimes, he understood what he was doing. >> david has been covering this story for years. we'll let you get inside the courthouse. thank you so much. let's bring in danny a vallow. we don't know what's in the indictments we may learn later this afternoon when they're unsealed. what are you expecting to see? >> based on reporting, if this was a case this was taxable fringe benef...