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Thought was donald trump's order to go down to the capitol and fight like hell. president ronald reagan appointed the judge who sentenced gary wickersham today. he's 78 years old. he said quote, it's the first defendant i've had that is older than me in quite sometime. those are the judge's words. he's a man that spent a life valuing the ideas of america. it is particularly sad in his 80th year, mr. wickersham took part in such a dark day in our nation's history. gary wickersham told the judge it's not like me to do that. he said what he did on january 6th is what he called a dark blot on his ...

That. he said, what he did on january six, is what he called, a dark blot. on his life. he said, i'm remorseful for. gary, has a dark blot on his life now because he made the mistake of believing donald trump. he committed crimes for donald trump. unlike donald, trump and the people at the highest level of the government, who violated their oath. and committed crimes for donald trump, today gary did something donald trump is never done. and surely never will do, gary, admitted what he did. on that dark day, in our nation's history. donald trump will never admit where he did on that day. gary a...

Being as gary wicker sham now is, a convicted criminal. leading off our discussion tonight is steve schmidt, former republican strategist and cofounder of the lincoln project. steve, we have an 81 year defendant senses today, the oldest person known, to be charged among the close to 700 charged. well donald trump and jeffrey clark and congressman perry, and mark meadows, and others, continue to try to evade any answers to any questions about what they did. >> i was struck by that picture lawrence, of gary wicker, sham he's wearing a red hat, with the word paratrooper on it. maybe he was an ame...

It ends up the congressman stev work at funerals. >> maybe it's the acceptance phase? >> you know what it could have been, i'm wondering what that one dark blot is they're speaking of. >> okay. so anyway. >> what now? >> play this out. i know you think worry going to -- i don't think it's happening. >> i think kelly's scenario and your scenario are the most shrikely scenarios. yesterday, again i'm not sitting on capitol hill an kelly is a much better capitol hill reporter than i'll ever be. yesterday it didn't seem like controlled chaos. it wasn't completely controlled and the behavior of hous...