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It served to kind of give cohen a chance to vindicate himself a little bit and maybe insulate himself from the charges that are coming. and what you'll see here after is his beginning to actually discuss things with the u.s. attorney's office, and he'll go dark on press, because that's the smart thing to do, and petrillo is a real pro. >> going dark on presa big deal for michael cohen, by the way. this is a guy who spent a lot of his life in the limelight. jill, this is an interesting point. if the white house now sees michael cohen as someone who is increasingly in the service of the federal ...

Is someone making overtures for cooperation, and i take it a step further. the first point here is guy petrillo, as dan says, is a total top-notch attorney. so you can put aside the normal assumptions in trump land that maybe he is doing something just stupid. petrillo has thought it through. my best guess is even this interview had the blessing of the u.s. attorney's office, and it served to kind of give cohen a chance to vindicate himself a little bit and maybe insulate himself from the charges that are coming. and what you'll see here after is his beginning to actually discuss things with t...

Little bit and maybe insulate himself from the charges that are coming. and what you'll see here after is his beginning to actually discuss things with the u.s. attorney's office, and he'll go dark on press, because that's the smart thing to do, and petrillo is a real pro. >> going dark on presa big deal for michael cohen, by the way. this is a guy who spent a lot of his life in the limelight. jill, this is an interesting point. if the white house now sees michael cohen as someone who is increasingly in the service of the federal government, what do they do about that? what are they thinking t...