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G but going back to the 1990s, when the view took place in the clinton administration, my opinions proceeded at that time, one, the defeated adversary in the post-war settlement and by enforcing a new line further east i fear that the message to russia was you're not included. and secondly, the principle of not in my backyard. major powers don't generally like it when other major powers come into their neighborhood. the united states spent much much of its history pushing europe's great powers and others out of the western hemisphere. and so my sense was let's move forward with what was called...

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Realized we're not inifinitely compliant and understand that this regime has taken them down a dark path. >> susen aan, the rhetoric we'r hearing from bucha that when residents are turning on their heat and their gas that they pay russia for, they have to know that money is going to kill ukranian women ask chnd childre. that is the line, that is the anger. does it make a difference? >> i wish i could say that i thought it did, but it seems the russian world is united with russia except when it comes to their own pocketbook. unfortunately, one dynamic here is that europe had a long time to thin...

Worst idea -- ronald reagan said it was the last straw, that america was going to go down a dark path. how do we come back from those kinds of divisions? do you have to kind of beat the other side? do you extend a hand? >> i think one of the important things is you're right, we remember how the story ended and we forget how difficult it was to live through it. we live with the anxiety and we don't know the next chapters that will be written in our story. i think the most important thing, when you think about young people, young people have to think about how tough the battle will be but they h...

He tloour a lot of things at the wall there to see if they would stick. errol, i want to ask you, here you have a former president who may well run for president again saying if he's president, he would pardon the january 6th rioters. is that obstruction of justice? >> it was actually one of the elements in the articles of impeachment against richard nixon. you can get in trouble for doing this. it's not just regular political speech. this is the essence of trumpism, jim. it's not enough that you put donald trump's interest ahead of your own, the essence of trumpism is you disavow and deny and...