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Government, within an administration are par for the course. the obama administration, for example, used them to begin the opening to cuba, and in the early stages the negotiations with iran over the nuclear deal. but what jared kushner is alleged to have done was not a back channel, it was a secret covert attempt -- >> working around government channels. >> exactly, by a private citizen to establish covert operations with a higher power. that is not a back channel. it is illegal, it is a crime, and it could certainly add up to espionage. >> former director of national intelligence james clapp...

Happening now in the newsroom -- >> we're chasing our tails when it comes to the russians. >> allegations about the president's son-in-law jared kushner. >> i can't confirm or deny whether they're accurate. if they are, it's obviously very concerning. >> i know jared. he's a great guy, a decent guy. many ways to communicate with other countries. i don't see a big issue here. >> i think jared has said he's more than willing to answer any and all questions. >> my dashboard warning light was clearly on and i think that was the case. the intel community is very concerned about the nature of these ...

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The alarm. former cia and nis director michael hayden called the kushner's back channel -- >> no other experience like this in our history. >> james clapper raised similar concerns. >> my dashboard warning light was clearly on and i think that was the case with all of us in the intelligence community. >> homeland security secretary retired general john kelly, however, called such clandestine communications perfectly normal. >> both normal in my opinion and acceptable. any way that you can communicate with people. particularly organizations that are maybe not particularly friendly to us is a go...

With the legal counsel. fred? >> ryan nobles, thank you so much. i'm quoting now, my dashboard warning light was on. that was the response from former director of national intelligence james clapper. you just heard a moment ago about these reports on jared kushner. here's what he told "meet the press" as well this morning. >> my dashboard warning light was clearly on and i think that was the case with all of the intelligence community, very concerned about the nature of these approaches to the russians. at the time i left, i did not see any smoking gun evidence of collusion but it certainly ...