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Them. if you look at their research, you look at how it is affecting the amount of data they're going after. i can remember five, ten years ago, looking at some data concentrations and thinking to myself, this is so large and has such a disparate amount of information in it, boy, it would be really difficult for an opponent potentially to generate insight and knowledge from it. i don't have those kinds of conversations anymore. with the power of machine learning, artificial intelligence and big data analytics, data concentrations now increasingly are targets of attraction to a whole host of ac...

Ago looking at some data concentrations and thinking to myself this is so large and such a large amount of information in it, it would be difficult for an opponent to generate insider knowledge from it. i don't have that kinds of conversations anymore. the power of machine learning, artificial intelligence and big data analytics data concentrations increasingly are targets of attraction to a whole host of actors. you have watched the prc and others designed to access these massive data concentrations. >> if i could follow up on that. this is one of those areas that's available in the commercia...

Remember five, ten years ago looking at some data concentrations and thinking to myself, this is so large and has such a disparate amount of information, it would be difficult for an opponent to generate insider knowledge for it. yo i don't have those conversations anymore. with the power of machine learning and big data analytics, they're increasingly targets of attraction to a whole host of actors and you have watched the prc and others designed to access these concentrations. >> if i can follow up on that, this is one of those areas available in the commercial industry so you see investment...

Houses shouldn't throw too many rocks. so there is a difference between an act of espionage which we conduct as well as and other nations do, versus an attack. >> just as a broader point, i think the opm issue highlights that massive data concentrations increasingly have value all their own. i can remember ten years ago, thinking to myself, large databases like opm are so large, the ability of an intruder, an external actor to access, fully extract, and bore their way through millions upon millions of millions of records would be difficult. but with the power of big data analytics, large data ...

Between, you know, an act of espionage, which we conduct as well and other nations do, versus an attack. mike, you want to comment? >> just as a broader point, i think the opm issue highlights that massive data concentrations increasingly have value all of their own. what do i mean by that? i can remember ten years ago earlier in my time in cyber thinking to myself large data bases like opm are so large the ability of an external actor to access and bore their way upon millions and millions of records would be difficult. but with the power of big data analytics, large data concentrations now b...