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Wasn't given early enough, given to very sick patients, dr. risch and i went over this so many times over the past year, but the data doesn't lie at some point and the data, it is what it is. your reaction there? >> yeah, in the end the truth is arrived at. there's over 200 studies, the small randomized trials that he mentioned were done in the hospital. many were flawed. all stopped early. and really couldn't give any answers. when we look at how hydroxychloroquine is used as an outpatient, there are now hundreds of thousands of patients who have been treated with hydroxychloroquine in studie...

Step act into law last april. even as democratic rivals like cory booker and john delaney said president trump deserves some credit for that. booker sayses he's trying to take too much credit. booker accused him of preaching racism while on stage today and he took issue with the president's claim he's done more for black people than any other president ins history. listen to this. >> that outrageous at the nastt he's the best president for african americans when he pursues policies that disproportionately harm african americans. the data doesn't lie. he may lie, often, but the data doesn't lie...

Sure. we haven't really looked at it. we've looked at it and know hate is on the rise, that nazis are on the rise, he's defunding organizations and entities wi e within the doj who would investigate this. he works for the president, giving talking points and these are not the factsan. >> speaking of the facts. skyrocketed 182% compared to 2017, in 2018. the president's first year in office. is it fair to kind of attribute that to the president? >> we've been tracking white supremacy and extremism for decades and decades. no doubt. data doesn't lie. increase in recruiting by why supremacist org...

Carol, react for us because you're our academic on this. and you know this report and the details well. and i'll throw up this graphic for our audience here. and it basically shows the difference, this is element one here, across periods of time from 1998 to 2016. and you can see with similar backgrounds again of crimes, but the difference in the increase of the time served for black men versus white men. is this consistent with what your research has been showing? >> yes he. and what it tells us is this is an opportunity for judges to focus on the data and see what is happening. because there...