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There was supposed to be a data migration, the onus was on the secret service to upload to some sort of internal server. that did not happen. we are learning more and more about it. what do you make of the fact that we are not going to be seeing text messages that seem to have gone away from those dates in particular? >> yeah, i'm not quick to ascribe guilt or at least underhandedness here. secret service is a bureaucracy like any bureaucracy and they make mistakes. this happens all the time, unfortunately. >> in the federal government. i do happen to know. i had a secret service detail for a ...

While the secret service continues to point back to the fact that each person was responsible and shown how to preserve their records, that nevertheless, this is the situation they're in. i think the important thing to underscore here is even though the secret service is saying they're not aware of other text messages that may exist relating to these requests, you can't know what you're missing if you don't realize you're missing it. it really is a chicken and egg scenario here where the secret service may say they don't think any other text messages apply, but they can't know what they don't ...

Investigators are skeptical about coincidences. i think we're seeing the shift from the lead theory that the secret service just made a bad but honest mistake and messed up its data migration. i think there are concerns. how could that happen, as betsy said, the agency was on notice that the inspector general had already requested these records? >> based on what the committee already has, do you think these missing texts will be a significant setback for the case the committee is trying to build? >> the challenge is because we don't know what's in the texts. all we know is they disappeared. th...

Overthrow the government. trying to overthrow election results. trying to throw out tens of millions of votes so he could -- so, through violence, he could maintain power. the secret service knows exactly what they're doing. why do we have somebody running the department who's pretending like there's nothing to see here, move along, move along. >> tea and crumpets not served at the white house since the war of 1812 but setting that aside, joe, it is -- records here need to be preserved for all matters, even trivial ones, that's the point. >> exactly. >> government records have to be kept. this...

Deleted them. ali vitali has the latest. what are you learning about the text conversation? >> these are texts that are important to the committee. they try to flesh out, what was happening in the white house and inside the secret service, around january 6th. these text messages, particular to january 5th and 6th, not able to are be recovered from the secret service. they turned over 10,000 pieces of information related to the subpoena. that being said, the secret service in this letter to the january 6th committee found a text message conversation. so, one text message conversation relating t...