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Be human error. the transportation department looked at this, mike, and we got this response. this person was not involved in any aspect of the investigation into the sudden acceleration. nhtsa is viewing the involvement in the alleged acceleration incident but the review is not complete. the gist of that from face value is we weren't ready to release anything. we're not hiding anything. >> well, of course, i think that that -- that's an even logical response from the department of transportation. they are continuing to do testing, so i think that the point here is that this guy was with nhtsa...

But it's important for nhtsa to say we found results that say it's human error. when there's recalls, a huge safety splash of evidence, everything comes out saying i had a problem and it's up to the government or the agency or the attorneys to sort out who is legit and who isn't. if it's a problem, say so. >> neil: if we had not rescued gm and chrysler, would we have been intent on making toyota to be cast in the most unfavorable of all lights? >> that's an interest question. initially i thought it didn't make sense. ford and the import brands and germ and japanese but now they won't let toyot...

From nhtsa that showed in early testing, that people who said they were pressing the brake and they couldn't stop their toyota was hitting the wrong appealed. what happened last week, there was a flap where people said the information had come from toyota and it was a plant. a nhtsa, a former nhtsa administer to just retired posted a thing saying i retired. i know the information is correct and the got is forcing us to sit on the information. i interviewed him and he said the pressure on the department of transportation from congress is leading nhtsa to hold back on releasing information that ...

The wrong pedal and the administration should figure out how to solve that problem and not chase ghosts in the machine. >> neil: allowing for the possibility it was human error and folks couldn't distinguish between the gas and brake pedal, there were a lot of folks doing that. they all can't be doing the same thing, can they? the numbers would seem behoove you. >> also, i want to point out toyota is not innocent. they have a unintended intel -- acceleration problem. they tried to avoid doing this recall for a very long time and they were fined by nhtsa because of it. so that's one issue and t...

Malfunctioning. the data nhtsa is gathering indicates in cases where it can't be explained by what toyota says is the problem, it's likely driver error. >> neil: the bottom line, folks, you've been presented with one stream of data against toyota that paints toyota as the loan culprit. if that's not the case, that it's not exclusively toyota and that's kept from folks, that's a big deal. the next guest says such a big deal, it could be a gross abuse of power to prop up a company that the government owns. a lot we don't know but this does not look good for those trial to vilify toyota. what do ...