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Secondly, you have to have support teams for these. you need to have technicians, scientists, who know how to program them. how to read the data off of them. how to maintain them. how to even put them in and out of the water. this thing weighs about 1,700 pounds it's like lowering a small car into the water and retrieving it over and over again. it is difficult, and it is dangerous. and lastly, there is the issue of the terrain. we've talked about this many times, were ut we have this image they're going down to a flat ocean floor to map it, but that may not be the case as all. it could be muc...

How to operate them. how to retrieve them. how to get the data off of them. they weigh about 1,700 pounds each. putting one in and out of the water is dangerous and difficult. not unlike taking a small car and lowering into the ocean and retrieving it time and time again. you're going to need more ships, more support for the ships. everything, wolf. then beyond that, the basic question we've come back to time and again, think about a whole fleet of them out here mowing the grass on a flat surface like this three miles down. two miles down. that's already a difficult job, but remember, we don't...

Flight data recorders, and this is the old technology and this is the changing technology, and -- >> well, don, if it is relative to the operation, they will talk about it, but this is not something that we get. we know that the black boxes exist, and we only get involved with them if we have an incident or accident of some sort. so this is not necessarily, and not necessarily an area that we would get into. >> but is there something, because obviously, when, as a pilot, you are the number one thing is the safety of the passengers, correct? >> absolutely. >> something that you would like to se...

United states has been relatively quiet at the highest echelons about what is going on here. you would bet that there is more going on here than we know and if in fact that -- in a positive way the airplane has been taken and taken someplace. will may be a ransom going on with the malaysians. the united states may be aware of what is going on. in the meantime, the search continues but these are all possibilities and -- you said something earlier. we talked about the act. the act of him deleting data off of his computer. terrorists acts, if it is a terrorist act and the sake of the families, th...

What is the certainty that the black boxes could be recovered? >> the odds of recovering the black boxes and getting useful data off of them are really very high. several years ago we had the air france a-330 that went from brazil to france. and it was lost. in that case it was lost because of a high altitude upset in a severe, severe thunderstorm. they didn't find the black boxes for two years and they were still able to recover usable data off of that. and that was over 10,000 feet. >> wow, and dialing back to a minute ago, to what you were talking about what may have affected this aircraft,...