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This was a war game. over the next few weeks the obama campaign's top secret data group did this over and over and over again, three simulations in which they destroyed everything they had and then they rebuilt it all on the fly. by the end they knew what they would do if the amazon web service went down cold. they could survive that with no down time. they knew what to do, sandy wiped out the entire east coast infrastructure and head a backup that could recon construct it with the touch of a button. this is the seriousness in which they took the data operation and on election day as the romne...

Won and it was not the obama campaign's ground game. how big an effect too do you think it had in the end. >> $600 million was raised on line and 504 came through digital operations. that is like twice what george w. bush was spending in the general election just a few years ago. so there is no doubt it had a huge impact. you can't disconnect what they did in get out the vote from the data operation and what they did in tv advertising from the data operation, it was all wrapped into one thing.

General election just a few years ago. so there is no doubt it had a huge impact. you can't disconnect what they did in get out the vote from the data operation and what they did in tv advertising from the data operation, it was all wrapped into one thing. these people will tell you tech does not win elections. you need a candidate. you need a message. it makes campaigning that much more efficient. there was a lot of talk they were going to reshape politics and continue on into governing mode and began to dissipate. what do you think is possible this time around? what do you think they learned...

Of the fact that that investigation appears to be expanding? and what does it mean that it's expanding in this direction? joining us now, political correspondent for business insider, who's been covering the russian scandal in depth, and in particular, this question of whether the russian intelligence operation intersected with the trump data operation. good to see you. >> thank you. >> you wrote about this in the context of the fact that there were two pieces of the investigation, one that looked at whether the data targeting operation run by jared kushner might have been intersecting with th...

Trump jr. didn't see major stories like these during the summer about russian hackers penetrating the dnc or tweets like this from roger stone saying quote of course the russians hacked hillary clinton's eem or this joint statement from the intelligence community that i mentioned in early october as trump jr. is in the midst of talking with wikileaks, they released the following. quote, the russian government directed the compromise of e-mails from u.s. persons and institutions on sites like wikileak. in a statement, trump jr.'s lawyers said they have, quote, no concerns about these revelation...