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Data in terror suspects. you see the numbers here. how is it possible for the government to stop terror, to monitor the bad guys, if you will, and to not surveil the american people? >> well, of course, it is impossible. phil is right about that. but i would also make the point that in the case in people like tsarnaev and the underwear bomber, you are not looking these days for 9/11 plotters. although at least theoretically that could happen today. >> they brought up 9/11 at the committee hearing. >> what you are looking for is the very sort of isolated individuals who radicalize themselves wa...

Through the data situations. is the masses of data helping you? >> your final thoughts and adding to that, do we -- should we be taking the government's word on the news that they say they are thwarting terrorist attacks? does the american public deserve more information? >> i think they do because the question isn't about terrorism. we understand as americans in terms of our physical privacy what the limits are. in an airport you can be checked, at the grocery store you cannot. as we get increasingly digital with amazon or google or verizon, have a digital footprint and we don't have an under...