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are we using power tools? will: i get the power tool thing. i want someone to show us, this is what i want some tips on, how about cleaning the pumpkin out? everybody shows you how to to make the designs, my least favorite art e -- part, the kids don't like the part of scooping -- rachel: really? my kids love that. will: getting it scraped so there's no strings on the edges. everybody likes to do the cutting and the designs, nobody likes the actual manual labor -- rachel: i bet if you went online, you could find the hack -- yesterday there was a hack about opening it from the bottom ...

Number two, we're talking about a government that has never been known, and notice the sarcasm in my voice, to misuse the data. the irs targeting of conservative and pro-israel groups which is still going on, by the way. so here the nsa -- the nra files an amicus brief because they're concerned that lawful gun owners whose data is being gobbled up by the nsa, but the expansion since 2009 under the prism program and the obama administration means that we have an out of control bureaucracy, and nsa that is not within the guidelines that were set forth for it to operate. bill: so you would argue ...

Issue. i find it interesting that the left are suddenly, not just tamara -- and i'm not putting her in this list -- but many are against, are for the nsa which is an electronic form of stop and frisk. we've got to look at what our government is doing under the constitution. >> i agree. i agree with that. and we have to also look at what, just what the constitution is and how far the government can go and also what their positions are. like i said, in their filing they said we lost an expectation of privacy when we made a call. that goes against all american -- bill: understand the point you're...