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Once after they separated during the squabbles over divorce, she claimed he tried to choke her. >> she said he just looked like a crazed animal and i thought he was going to kill me. and not too long after that she had said to me, you know, if anything ever happens to me you know where to look. >> dave said that choking thing just never happened. that he was never violent with her. >> i've never choked anybody. >> things settled down eventually, though there was always some dispute and the things conrad said he heard his dad say about his mom. >> awful. >> things like she needs a taste of her ...

Now it was may, 2008, nearly two years after debbie's disappearance. her body still hadn't been found and there was no new evidence tying dave to her murder. but prosecutor larry crouch heard disquieting reports from his investigators. >> they started surveilling our office, the police offices, eventually starts driving by an investigator's home. it was getting pretty concerning out there. >> time to move. on may 29, 2008, dave hawk was arrested and charged with first-degree murder and a special circumstance murder for financial gain. he pleaded not guilty. when the trial finally began more th...

Now, imagine this, the police, not to mention most of the town, believed their father killed their mother leaving three children caught in the middle. conrad had no doubt his dad killed his mom, a dad he began referring to as dave. >> i tried to cut all ties that i had with him as much as i could. he was nothing to me now. >> but chelsa has been and is her father's staunchest defender. >> why do you think your siblings have chosen the other path? >> i think they're just very upset by what happen and their relationship was not as close to my dad. they were not home or not awake when i was awake...

In a way. >> yeah. >> kind of a tough role for a kid to play? >> it was easier to be the mediator than have them yelling at each other on the phone. >> living apart, said conrad. >> my mom was happier than ever. i think all of our lives improved. >> debbie did well enough she was able to buy her own home. >> she could finally start living her life the way she wanted to. >> except there were issues. once after they separated during the squabbles of divorce, she claimed he tried to choke her. >> she said he just looked like a crazed animal and i thought he was going to kill me. and not too long ...

Eventually, though there was always some dispute and the things conrad said he heard his dad say about his mom. awful. >> things like she needs a taste of her own medicine. she's going to get hers. she's going to get what she has coming to her. >> in fact, the very night he discovered debbie had vanished conrad told police his dad might have done this. >> i didn't see anything that would disqualify him from being able to carry that out. >> which is why just hours after the kids discovered debbie was missing it was 2:20 a.m. by then. police called dave, woke him up. asked him to drive down to p...