>> so, i havan, on china, donal trump is talking tough on china, right? but china is not weak militarily. so what's the danger here? >> i think a big concern is a possible trade war. i mean, david was very right to point out that china is a massive trading partner. the two countries have more than half a trillion dollars worth of trade in the last year. and you've got this really strange situation right now, carol, where the president-elect is attacking elements of the liberal world order which the u.s. helped create in the first place, which the u.s. underwrote but also benefitted from, that'...