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Saying? >> each situation is different. >> it's not okay to have bad tactics when it's life or death. david, is it okay to have bad tactics? >> no. >> i didn't say it was okay, don. >> you just said that. >> don't put words in my mouth. >> i wish we could run the tape back. >> play the tape back. i didn't say it was okay. i said it happens. i said it happens. >> you said it's not against the law. >> but his tactics got nothing to do with this shooting. the tactics have nothing to do with him perceiving a threat. >> i disagree with harry, because the tactics set up a concatenation of events tha...

Department. i believe that's a proper decision based on what i've seen and it's a human tragedy and the only question now in terms of the civil litigation is what's the number going to be in front of the six zeros? >> well, i have to tell you i don't agree with david at all in this case. you say you need to look at these videos. remember, a jury looked at both these videos and all the other evidence we know-nothing about and acquitted the officer. the fact is the officer, you can see approaching the video. he was calm, cool, collected and he's talking to this gentleman. now the gentleman says ...

David is dead after that, but, castile is dead, his daughter was in the car. here's what she said right after the shooting. >> it's okay, i'm right here with you. >> that's his fiancee's daughter. she said, i don't want you to be shooted, mommy. so -- >> terrible. >> this -- the guy, he sounded pretty calm to me. listen, i'm not a police officer, i i wasn't there. saund sounded calm to me, sounds like he was trying to tell the officer, i have a license to carry. >> he didn't say that. >> hrry, if you listen -- >> david -- >> this is don. it doesn't sound like the officer gave him time. can we ...

With our eyes and we heard with our ears. clearly the police officer approaches mr. castille, he's very calm, he's complying. he's doing everything we're told mo motorists should do. and it escalates so quickly into a fatality. he tells him, show me your license and proof of insurance. how can you do that without using your hands? mr. castille says that he has a gun. as david said, he could have asked mr. castille, put your hands on the steering wheel, sir. i need you to step out of the vehicle. i need to see where that gun is. there's so many other things that he could have done in that situa...

It. i'm going to tell him what to do. stop, freeze. put your hands on the steering wheel. so the officer is the one that did not behave in the way that he should have behaved in terms of the prestop. it's my understanding, the gun was in castille's right pocket. i've got a couple of seconds to figure out, as he's reaching for something, what's he or she reaching for? i'm going to take a look. i'm not going to kill a guy because he reaches toward something. i'm going to tell him stop, put your hands on the steering wheel. >> let's pause here. we'll take a break and we'll be right back. >> and t...